Monday, January 22, 2007

More on the 3-3 Stack

I've posted twice concerning the newest "kid on the block" among high school defenses (Ha! I wouldn't be suprised if some high school coach thought it up 40 years ago, however!) Anyway, I have two new video segments now where I blather on about it in person. I'll repost the original article beneath the new material. Look for more defense-specific articles in the coming weeks.

Coach Smith

ps. I promise to work on the "you knows..." you know?

Running the Option vs. the 33 Stack Defense, Part One
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Running the Option vs. the 33 Stack Defense, Part Two
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Passing vs. the 33 Stack Defense, Part Three
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Below are the two diagrams I posted initially concerning this post.





Okay, If you took a look at the diagrams above, you may have come to the same realization we did concerning the 3-5. While I'm sure there are many coaches who will be glad to tell me all the built-in checks and balances the 3-5 has in it to stop such things, I've found the following to work pretty well.

!. The Wing alignment.

The 3-5 team we saw used the DE asthe contain player. If you gave him a slot, he would drop off and in the hook-to-flat area... sometimes up in the rec's face and other times at linebacker depth. We'll get to that in a minute. We also wondered if they would liden him against a wing... not wanting to get outflanked and all.

That's exactly what we did. Staying with our terminology, we gave our signal for a crack to the Z (wingback) so he would know to block on an inside path. This left the CB as the pitch and the widened DE as the pitch. Oh, how I wish our our starting QB had not been out for this game... our converted TE with 1 week of practice was in no way ready to read a dive so we told him to always give... there were times the keep would have scored... and the QB might still be running!

Later against thier J.V. this play, and the ISV in next diagram, proved to be an effective adjustment to the stack and that "impossible" to block stack OLB! The key moment is when they finally decide to adjust. You can see several things, but the main two would be the three LBs bumping to the TE... or the entire front shading to the TE similar to a weak-eagle 50. If the first occurs, run ISV weak... widening the psT's splits of course! If the latter occurs, then bring in the SE so he can seal/crack the psOLB and run ISV weak... comboing the 3 tech and reading the 5 tech (Speed Option is also a good idea) for the dive and moving the pitch phase to the CB. There are many other things, of course, but the OSV from the Wing set worked really well.


#2 The Tight Flex.

(Whoops! Left off the back paths on the diagram! ...will fix later...)

I had asserted rather childishly in the past that the "best" way to defeat the 3-5 was in the air. Yes... if you have Dan Marino Jr. at the helm.

While we looked at getting the flex and running some ISV for our varsity, without our starting option QB, we decided to shelve it. However, when the J.V. game rolled around, I decided to take it off the shelf and dust it off...

Another way to attack the stack is to again widen the DE and bring the TE down on the stacked Sam OLB. My advice on his split was to "never alignso wide that he couldn't get down on the psOLB with more than three big strides." The psT veer releases inside the DT but must get vertical so he can pick up a psOLB that's blowing up C gap. I widened the OT and put the responsibility of blocking the NG on the Center alone. Work hard on scoops with him and have him "climb the ladder" once he gets into that playside knee... the psG can help vs a shaded NG, but then the MLB is unblocked. We didn't get that. Our psG zone stepped in then up at the MLB... again with a healthy 3 foot split.

After looking at the angles, I told our HBs that this is one week the veer lane just might not be there and to not "freak-out" if they found themselves running straight up the field. I had hopes the either the psT or TE -- whoever didn't get the psOLB -- would come upfield and at least get in the way of the FS... alas, with only 3 days to practice for the JV, we were less than perfect in that regard. But if the FS is having to make tackles on a hard-running HB with the initial hit coming at 7 to 10 yards downfield... well, I can live with that.

Again, look for the defense trying to shore up the strong side wome way and have a plan to attack weak. But to paraphrase Coach Sparks, "run strong versus a balanced defense and run weak versus an unbalanced defense." Or something like that.

I will have to admit, the 3-5 was one of the hardest defenses I've come across with respect to scheming it. And if you insist on going on a long snap count (a bad idea; hint, hint!) they can still move people around and mess up reads and stuff like that. But I will also say we saw a whole lot less of that against us (when we did go on a regular count) than the other teams we saw on film. I guess the option makes even the mightiest of 3-5 coordinators play assignment football...

Just a little.

Coach Smith

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

We like to run the veer out of spread or s-gun. What about releasing PST up to stacked backer and reading the end w/ a double on the nose to MLB by PSG? RB path is crack of guard.

Steve said...

Coach,

Sounds good. I'm doing that with ISV with a flexed TE. But we only make the line call for the A-Gap double-team if a player, the NG in this case, either lines up in that A-gap or stems to it prior to the snap. Since we'll be going on quick counts - especially vs. the 33, our center better be beating a head-up NG and getting his hat across that playside knee - even if he's slanting to it. If he slants opposite, the bsG will nut him on his scoop. I would say that NG's in the 50 and DT's in the 4-3 hate the option with a passion.

Coach Smith

Anonymous said...

Coach,
any ideas on attacking the 3-3 with the isv when they have 2, 3techs a double eagle look. osv is good. mabye the mid line. but the isv which is a big part of our offense looks to have a problem or two. any thoughts?

Steve said...

Our JV played a team that ran a double eagle 53 cover 3 and we ate them up on OSV. It was 20-something to nothing in the 1st quarter. I don't know what they were thinking. We switched to our 3rd string QB and 2 3rd string HBs... and a mostly 2nd string O-line in the second half and still scored 3 more TDs.

I don't like midline vs a true NG, Coach. Give a split middle and I'm in love with it, though!

If Versus what you describe, I think our old Spin Trap or what some call the Crazy Option might be a good change-up / misdirection play. Or just run OSV until they change defenses or in our case, score 50 points to their 14.

Coach Smith